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		<title>Comment on Plenty of Valid Angles of Attack Against Romney but Bain Capital Isn&#8217;t One of Them by David P. Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>David P. Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of it comes down to short term vs. long term.  Having a business limp along may save jobs in the short term.  But in the long term, that money might have produced more jobs if invested in a healthy business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of it comes down to short term vs. long term.  Having a business limp along may save jobs in the short term.  But in the long term, that money might have produced more jobs if invested in a healthy business.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Scarecrow on the Fence: Obama&#8217;s Pivot is a Teachable Moment for Centrists by David P. Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>David P. Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 22:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a big problem with Obama having wanted to support gay marriage but been unable to do so until now.  However, I&#039;m simply not buying the claim that he had &quot;evolved&quot; to this position.  And I would say that those who were against gay marriage and had supported him on the ground that he wasn&#039;t going to support would have a right to feel let down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a big problem with Obama having wanted to support gay marriage but been unable to do so until now.  However, I&#8217;m simply not buying the claim that he had &#8220;evolved&#8221; to this position.  And I would say that those who were against gay marriage and had supported him on the ground that he wasn&#8217;t going to support would have a right to feel let down.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Kahlil Byrd and Americans Elect on Saving Americans Elect from Its Own Mistakes by Honua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 22:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job, Solomon. 

AE just threw in the towel officially. It&#039;s worth noting that there was no email or Facebook post to the loyal grassroots folks about their decision, just a statement on the website. Another example of their disregard for the people who put so much heart and soul into this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job, Solomon. </p>
<p>AE just threw in the towel officially. It&#8217;s worth noting that there was no email or Facebook post to the loyal grassroots folks about their decision, just a statement on the website. Another example of their disregard for the people who put so much heart and soul into this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Kahlil Byrd and Americans Elect on Saving Americans Elect from Its Own Mistakes by Solomon Kleinsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Kleinsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 21:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually met with Joe. Nice guy.

We&#039;re in CD2, hence the confusion. Lincoln is the capital, and is CD1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually met with Joe. Nice guy.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in CD2, hence the confusion. Lincoln is the capital, and is CD1.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plenty of Valid Angles of Attack Against Romney but Bain Capital Isn&#8217;t One of Them by Richard Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 20:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this campaign ends up being about who has the best ideas, rather than who can be the loudest demagogue.  It sounds like Romney&#039;s company took companies that were certainly going to fail...and his company figure out which ones were salvageable and which were not.  So instead of complementing his company for saving some companies, the Obama campaign criticizes him for not saving the others.  Actually, worse than that, claims that he somehow caused them to shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this campaign ends up being about who has the best ideas, rather than who can be the loudest demagogue.  It sounds like Romney&#8217;s company took companies that were certainly going to fail&#8230;and his company figure out which ones were salvageable and which were not.  So instead of complementing his company for saving some companies, the Obama campaign criticizes him for not saving the others.  Actually, worse than that, claims that he somehow caused them to shut down.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Edwards Deserves to be Publicly Humiliated but this Trial is a Waste of Time and Our Tax Money by jack Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cranky, I can&#039;t disagree with you too much on this...  My sense is the DA politics has usurped the process...

Campaign financing is a bit of a joke given what the commission actually has done.  It is even a bigger joke when you see what Super Pacs can do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky, I can&#8217;t disagree with you too much on this&#8230;  My sense is the DA politics has usurped the process&#8230;</p>
<p>Campaign financing is a bit of a joke given what the commission actually has done.  It is even a bigger joke when you see what Super Pacs can do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Edwards Deserves to be Publicly Humiliated but this Trial is a Waste of Time and Our Tax Money by jack Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 19:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, the Democrats did make a terrible mistake nominating Kerry but I think it is now clear Edwards was not the better choice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, the Democrats did make a terrible mistake nominating Kerry but I think it is now clear Edwards was not the better choice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illogical Cuts to IRS Funding Will Lead to Trillions in Lost Revenue by Tax Dodgers and More Debt by Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 19:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. Wherein the IRS slaps foreign banks overseas with $10B+ in compliance costs to collect (they hope) $750M in revenue, while also requiring the US citizen holders of those accounts to fill out dozens of pages of confusing reporting paperwork every quarter. If you have any overseas bank or brokerage account that at any time during the year exceeds $10K, you have to file FATCA forms.

For obvious reasons, most foreign banks are simply dropping their US customers or not taking them in the first place. FATCA is already making it more difficult for Americans to live, travel, or do business overseas even though it&#039;s not in full effect yet. Expatriates and those working overseas are already getting slammed.

My guess is they wanted to call it FATCAT but ran out of acronymic suffixes to add on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. Wherein the IRS slaps foreign banks overseas with $10B+ in compliance costs to collect (they hope) $750M in revenue, while also requiring the US citizen holders of those accounts to fill out dozens of pages of confusing reporting paperwork every quarter. If you have any overseas bank or brokerage account that at any time during the year exceeds $10K, you have to file FATCA forms.</p>
<p>For obvious reasons, most foreign banks are simply dropping their US customers or not taking them in the first place. FATCA is already making it more difficult for Americans to live, travel, or do business overseas even though it&#8217;s not in full effect yet. Expatriates and those working overseas are already getting slammed.</p>
<p>My guess is they wanted to call it FATCAT but ran out of acronymic suffixes to add on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Kahlil Byrd and Americans Elect on Saving Americans Elect from Its Own Mistakes by Erik</title>
		<link>http://riseofthecenter.com/2012/05/16/open-letter-to-kahlil-byrd-and-americans-elect-on-saving-americans-elect-from-its-own-mistakes/10547#comment-15069</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 19:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, I thought you were in Omaha. In District 1, It is Joe Vaughn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, I thought you were in Omaha. In District 1, It is Joe Vaughn.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illogical Cuts to IRS Funding Will Lead to Trillions in Lost Revenue by Tax Dodgers and More Debt by Cranky Critter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Critter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...sounds like they&#039;re opting for &quot;[B] Make it unpleasant and painful to leave.&quot;

What is FATCA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;sounds like they&#8217;re opting for &#8220;[B] Make it unpleasant and painful to leave.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is FATCA?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gang of Six Adds two New Members and Keeps Quietly Working Toward Fiscally Sane Budget Compromise by Solomon Kleinsmith</title>
		<link>http://riseofthecenter.com/2012/05/17/video-gang-of-six-adds-two-new-members-and-keeps-quietly-working-toward-fiscally-sane-budget-compromise/10553#comment-15067</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon Kleinsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s actually one of the most consistently conservative votes in Congress, which helps the Gang of Six/Eight quite a bit, with his cache/bonafides as a conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s actually one of the most consistently conservative votes in Congress, which helps the Gang of Six/Eight quite a bit, with his cache/bonafides as a conservative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gang of Six Adds two New Members and Keeps Quietly Working Toward Fiscally Sane Budget Compromise by tim warren</title>
		<link>http://riseofthecenter.com/2012/05/17/video-gang-of-six-adds-two-new-members-and-keeps-quietly-working-toward-fiscally-sane-budget-compromise/10553#comment-15066</link>
		<dc:creator>tim warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the only guys I ever pay attention to in either house of Congress. 

I think a special shout-out should also go to Tom Coburn - he is pretty conservative on a lot of issues, but several times he has had the willingness to say enough is enough rather than always toe to the same tired partisan or ideological lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the only guys I ever pay attention to in either house of Congress. </p>
<p>I think a special shout-out should also go to Tom Coburn &#8211; he is pretty conservative on a lot of issues, but several times he has had the willingness to say enough is enough rather than always toe to the same tired partisan or ideological lines.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Kahlil Byrd and Americans Elect on Saving Americans Elect from Its Own Mistakes by Solomon Kleinsmith</title>
		<link>http://riseofthecenter.com/2012/05/16/open-letter-to-kahlil-byrd-and-americans-elect-on-saving-americans-elect-from-its-own-mistakes/10547#comment-15065</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon Kleinsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really seemed, at times, that the Americans Elect organization went out of its way to discourage action at the grassroots level. I experienced this personally several times, and heard the same thing from people all over the country. It is beyond my comprehension how someone like Kahlil Byrd could put together a campaign plan that ACTUALLY thought they could accomplish their organizational goals without a major focus on their field effort. They should have had fifty field organizers around the country, coordinating interns and volunteers in every major metro area at least. But, you know, those rich people that gave them money early on in the campaign needed to get paid back... ugh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really seemed, at times, that the Americans Elect organization went out of its way to discourage action at the grassroots level. I experienced this personally several times, and heard the same thing from people all over the country. It is beyond my comprehension how someone like Kahlil Byrd could put together a campaign plan that ACTUALLY thought they could accomplish their organizational goals without a major focus on their field effort. They should have had fifty field organizers around the country, coordinating interns and volunteers in every major metro area at least. But, you know, those rich people that gave them money early on in the campaign needed to get paid back&#8230; ugh</p>
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		<title>Comment on Illogical Cuts to IRS Funding Will Lead to Trillions in Lost Revenue by Tax Dodgers and More Debt by Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 15:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Schumer and pals are confirming my opinion on their active attempts to prevent capital flight spurred by high taxes, &lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/senators-to-unveil-the-ex-patriot-act-to-respond-to-facebooks-saverins-tax-scheme/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;with prejudice&lt;/a&gt;. 

If you don&#039;t want people taking their money AND THEMSELVES out of the US to legally avoid high taxes, quit taxing them so hard that they find it necessary to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Schumer and pals are confirming my opinion on their active attempts to prevent capital flight spurred by high taxes, <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/senators-to-unveil-the-ex-patriot-act-to-respond-to-facebooks-saverins-tax-scheme/" rel="nofollow">with prejudice</a>. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want people taking their money AND THEMSELVES out of the US to legally avoid high taxes, quit taxing them so hard that they find it necessary to do so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Scarecrow on the Fence: Obama&#8217;s Pivot is a Teachable Moment for Centrists by Cranky Critter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Critter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 15:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I accept that sometimes I&#039;m going to need to read between the lines.

One question i think we need to answer for ourselves is &quot;can I distinguish between a waffle and an authentic shift, or should all shifts be considered waffles?&quot;

The more shifts someone has, the more prone I am to perceiving waffling. Multiple substantive shifts on any single issue is a red flag of unprincipled opportunism. Opportunists  that too often seek to have things both ways (John Kerry and Mitt Romney come to my mind here) develop a deserved reputation for waffling.

One corollary worth mentioning: I sometimes read waffling as a signal that an issue is a low priority: the politician gets caught telling each audience what it wants to hear because he or she isn&#039;t motivated by it, subconsciously sees it as a distraction that gets whatever treatment sweeps it away.

When it comes to Mitt Romney, I don;t think he&#039;s especially passionate about the social issues in any way that matches socon zeal. I think he cares about values related to personal character and virtues and work ethic, but not in the angry one-size-fits-all way that we see in the wings.

As president, I find Obama to be in the same ballpark. My view is that all Presidents quickly become pragmatists: they start to care first about specific changes, and the political statements and positions become mere vehicles towards those ends. The job is so broad-ranging and demanding that abstract ideology becomes a luxury. A fantasy even. 

It becomes about wanting to extend unemployment or hike the debt ceiling. Or quietly keeping afloat some states that are in real trouble. Or putting out a brushfire overseas. Or sending a clear signal to the world in the wake of a violent challenge. Or passing &lt;i&gt;whatever&lt;/i&gt; form of a prescription drug benefit bill can be gotten through congress.

Ever since Bush1, I have found myself developing substantial empathy for every President just because every day he finds himself at the mercy of so many assholes and so much abject need and so many demands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accept that sometimes I&#8217;m going to need to read between the lines.</p>
<p>One question i think we need to answer for ourselves is &#8220;can I distinguish between a waffle and an authentic shift, or should all shifts be considered waffles?&#8221;</p>
<p>The more shifts someone has, the more prone I am to perceiving waffling. Multiple substantive shifts on any single issue is a red flag of unprincipled opportunism. Opportunists  that too often seek to have things both ways (John Kerry and Mitt Romney come to my mind here) develop a deserved reputation for waffling.</p>
<p>One corollary worth mentioning: I sometimes read waffling as a signal that an issue is a low priority: the politician gets caught telling each audience what it wants to hear because he or she isn&#8217;t motivated by it, subconsciously sees it as a distraction that gets whatever treatment sweeps it away.</p>
<p>When it comes to Mitt Romney, I don;t think he&#8217;s especially passionate about the social issues in any way that matches socon zeal. I think he cares about values related to personal character and virtues and work ethic, but not in the angry one-size-fits-all way that we see in the wings.</p>
<p>As president, I find Obama to be in the same ballpark. My view is that all Presidents quickly become pragmatists: they start to care first about specific changes, and the political statements and positions become mere vehicles towards those ends. The job is so broad-ranging and demanding that abstract ideology becomes a luxury. A fantasy even. </p>
<p>It becomes about wanting to extend unemployment or hike the debt ceiling. Or quietly keeping afloat some states that are in real trouble. Or putting out a brushfire overseas. Or sending a clear signal to the world in the wake of a violent challenge. Or passing <i>whatever</i> form of a prescription drug benefit bill can be gotten through congress.</p>
<p>Ever since Bush1, I have found myself developing substantial empathy for every President just because every day he finds himself at the mercy of so many assholes and so much abject need and so many demands.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Scarecrow on the Fence: Obama&#8217;s Pivot is a Teachable Moment for Centrists by Paperback Ruyter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paperback Ruyter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 14:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been debating how to answer this.  Ideally yes, Obama should have been forthright about his true opinion, not just on this topic but on every topic on his platform.  I believe Obama made the decision in 2008 to take a position that would gain him the most votes, but that did not reflect his actual opinion.  Since other politicians (Romney and Kerry for instance) have been criticized for waffling and changing their positions, and that criticism used as an argument not to vote for them, Obama should be treated no differently.

On the other hand the practical argument would be that you do what you have to do to get nominated/elected since the greater good of being elected outweighs the lesser evil of not being honest.  Besides, most voters understand that some degree of dishonesty is how the game is played.  Both Obama and Romney play that game.

I guess ideally we all get on the same page, ie either we accept that everybody waffles and changes their positions and that is OK, or else we will hold all candidates accountable equally for playing a political game at the expense of transparency.  What usually happens of course is that different candidates are held to different standards depending on the political persuasions of who is doing the critiquing.  I&#039;m certainly not immune to that myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been debating how to answer this.  Ideally yes, Obama should have been forthright about his true opinion, not just on this topic but on every topic on his platform.  I believe Obama made the decision in 2008 to take a position that would gain him the most votes, but that did not reflect his actual opinion.  Since other politicians (Romney and Kerry for instance) have been criticized for waffling and changing their positions, and that criticism used as an argument not to vote for them, Obama should be treated no differently.</p>
<p>On the other hand the practical argument would be that you do what you have to do to get nominated/elected since the greater good of being elected outweighs the lesser evil of not being honest.  Besides, most voters understand that some degree of dishonesty is how the game is played.  Both Obama and Romney play that game.</p>
<p>I guess ideally we all get on the same page, ie either we accept that everybody waffles and changes their positions and that is OK, or else we will hold all candidates accountable equally for playing a political game at the expense of transparency.  What usually happens of course is that different candidates are held to different standards depending on the political persuasions of who is doing the critiquing.  I&#8217;m certainly not immune to that myself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Successful Will Obama be at Pinning Romney to the Far Right Wing of the Republican Base? by Cranky Critter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Critter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 12:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, as far as prominent conservatives known outside of wonk circles . . .no one in the senate or house. No one who has to face actual voters is willing to say boo to socons.

I hope you are right that socons will face authentic enduring pushback. But many laps round the election cycle tell me that the overwhelming majority of  elected Republicans are sure that they must pander or die.

It&#039;s encourage that you are finding variance on youtube. However, there&#039;s a pretty big audience disparity. Small numbers, and internet handful, find what suits them on youtube, and as likely as not, that &lt;i&gt;sates&lt;/i&gt; them. Discontent dissipated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, as far as prominent conservatives known outside of wonk circles . . .no one in the senate or house. No one who has to face actual voters is willing to say boo to socons.</p>
<p>I hope you are right that socons will face authentic enduring pushback. But many laps round the election cycle tell me that the overwhelming majority of  elected Republicans are sure that they must pander or die.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s encourage that you are finding variance on youtube. However, there&#8217;s a pretty big audience disparity. Small numbers, and internet handful, find what suits them on youtube, and as likely as not, that <i>sates</i> them. Discontent dissipated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Kahlil Byrd and Americans Elect on Saving Americans Elect from Its Own Mistakes by timwarren82</title>
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		<dc:creator>timwarren82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 04:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know much about organizing a campaign - a previous commenter stated that as well. 

It would be interesting to see an expose that compares what the various Tea Party organizations have done over the last few years (how much is it top-down, how much is it bottom-up) vs the Ackerman/Byrd top-down approach. 

What were conversations like in the real or virtual backrooms of the AE hierarchy? Did they have real conversations about real world situations? Did they have fabricated conversations where they were always deceiving themselves and each other as well as lower level people in the organization? 

Come to think of it, the Reform Party had a similar problem. I remember their state parties always complaining that the Dallas headquarters (Perot) wanted total control over everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know much about organizing a campaign &#8211; a previous commenter stated that as well. </p>
<p>It would be interesting to see an expose that compares what the various Tea Party organizations have done over the last few years (how much is it top-down, how much is it bottom-up) vs the Ackerman/Byrd top-down approach. </p>
<p>What were conversations like in the real or virtual backrooms of the AE hierarchy? Did they have real conversations about real world situations? Did they have fabricated conversations where they were always deceiving themselves and each other as well as lower level people in the organization? </p>
<p>Come to think of it, the Reform Party had a similar problem. I remember their state parties always complaining that the Dallas headquarters (Perot) wanted total control over everything.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Successful Will Obama be at Pinning Romney to the Far Right Wing of the Republican Base? by Richard Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 02:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer your question about conservatives challenging, for one, there&#039;s Neal Boortz, (the supposed libertarian) who has been more willing as of late to speak out against the religious right.  Many of the Ron Paul supporters have a distaste towards the big government kind of &quot;social conservatism&quot;.  They may not care for same sex marriage, for example, but will oppose a national ban on it.  Colin Powell has been shifting on this issue as well.  Plus, maybe I watch too much youtube, but most of the right winged commentators on their are either indifferent to the gay issue, or lean liberal and want to pull the right in that direction.  The country as a whole is shifting, as polls continue to show, and the whole evangelical right movement is becoming increasingly fringe.

I haven&#039;t heard anything from the Obama campaign about this particular story, however, so I think Obama is going to focus on economic issues...while his supporters push the whole &quot;war on women&quot; argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your question about conservatives challenging, for one, there&#8217;s Neal Boortz, (the supposed libertarian) who has been more willing as of late to speak out against the religious right.  Many of the Ron Paul supporters have a distaste towards the big government kind of &#8220;social conservatism&#8221;.  They may not care for same sex marriage, for example, but will oppose a national ban on it.  Colin Powell has been shifting on this issue as well.  Plus, maybe I watch too much youtube, but most of the right winged commentators on their are either indifferent to the gay issue, or lean liberal and want to pull the right in that direction.  The country as a whole is shifting, as polls continue to show, and the whole evangelical right movement is becoming increasingly fringe.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard anything from the Obama campaign about this particular story, however, so I think Obama is going to focus on economic issues&#8230;while his supporters push the whole &#8220;war on women&#8221; argument.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter to Kahlil Byrd and Americans Elect on Saving Americans Elect from Its Own Mistakes by Solomon Kleinsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Kleinsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 23:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You folks really are underestimating just how much more difficult it would have been to do the same thing they did with the presidential race, but downticket. They made some mistakes when building the platform, for sure, but that would have multiplied the complexity of the situation the platform had to be able to handle by a factor of hundreds. It&#039;s just not feasible. They can work out the kinks and prepare for that torrent of candidates for next cycle, assuming they make it that far.

Had they done the things I mentioned above, they&#039;d be fine. If they clean house and bring in new leadership, they should make it to next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You folks really are underestimating just how much more difficult it would have been to do the same thing they did with the presidential race, but downticket. They made some mistakes when building the platform, for sure, but that would have multiplied the complexity of the situation the platform had to be able to handle by a factor of hundreds. It&#8217;s just not feasible. They can work out the kinks and prepare for that torrent of candidates for next cycle, assuming they make it that far.</p>
<p>Had they done the things I mentioned above, they&#8217;d be fine. If they clean house and bring in new leadership, they should make it to next year.</p>
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